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09/12/2008

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CheatorBeat.com

Is it sour grapes by Lewis, or does he have a point? I tend to lean towards the latter. When will we know? Unless Bolt tests positive eventually, we may never know. I don't think that makes Carl Lewis wrong for asking the question though.

Larry D

Why point your finger at the "old East German doping machine"? There are plenty of US-based doping machines. And at least East Germany conducted their program under doctors' supervision, not a former bass player for a rock band.

Oh, and let's not single out BALCO--they're an easy target. How many positive drug tests did the USOC/USATF conceal? What intelligence was gained from them?

StevieG

It's fine Bolt has his gold but what is of concern is the world record.

If every tainted gold, silver and bronze medal in Olympic history was handed back, we definitely would see, there is not a lot of room to criticise others.

ME > JAMAICA> YOU >>  FOOL> HMM

LEWIS NEED TO GO HELP > FEED THE POOR > AND STOP TALKING > THATS WHATS IMPORTANT TO JAMAICAN > WE YOU TO COM HELP FEED THE PEOPLE SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING DO MR CARL LEWIS > MAYBE YOU NEED HAVE A TALK WITH THE POOR > YES N SO LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT MAN

CheatorBeat.com

Steroid Nation may have to stop writing about Jamaican athletes, it seems to attract a very ignorant set of commenters.

Heppu

But CheatorBeat please note that those very ignorant commentators use a lot abbreviation lol and they certainly use it knowing it to stand for Limitation of Liability. So I would still encourage Steroid Nation to deal with doping in its all variations including global geographic coverage.

Wanda Truth

Does any one know the facts surrounding Carl Lewis , he was my hero, but I thought he was implicated in cheating, didnt the American Drug agency find him positive along with others but they kept in quiet? Because of this its why I am so suspicious towards Bolt.

Charles

Just a few short points here: Jamaicans are not ignorant people, but we are getting a bit upset now at the USA's attempt to discredit the performance of Usain Bolt. If we want to talk about athletes and countries who have a proven track (pun intended) of cheating then the US and former USSR and East Germany come to mind.
How come nobody calls for the adjustment of Flo Jo's records which up to now (20 years later) cannot even be challenged? Even on your present team there wer members with 'suspicios history (Torrie Edwards and Damu Cherry. Go clean up your country first!!! For real fans of track, they would have known of Usain's dominance from a junior (check back 2002). He also has the world junior 200m record. This is not a guy who just came out of nowehre, he was runner up to Gay in Osaka last year, and made the 200m final in Helsinki 2005, which was won by Justin Gatlin, whom has since tested positive for drugs!

Steroid Nation

Carl Lewis tested positive for stimulants before the Seoul Olympics. Some say it was 'inadvertent'; some -- like Dick Pound -- implicate the USOC for that omission. The director of the USOC at the time -- Dr Wade Exum -- became irritated, then resigned because many athletes were given free passes.

Track was extremely dirty during those days. Things have improved to a degree. But make no mistake that the elite level of runner was doped.

Lewis never tested positive for steroids. His physique doesn't have the muscle density of a steroid doped athlete. We could never say for sure he doped with a AAS....but the odds are lower than Ben Johnson who was caught doping twice.

Steroid Nation

I don't believe US track fans are any more suspicious of Usain Bolt than any other country is. It is that Bolt is a relatively new sprinter, without an extensive history. I would think if Asafa Powell set the record, there would not be the notoriety that Bolt's performance has unleashed.

As an American-based fan, I would not think we are really biased against any country. In the environment today, any track record, not to mention an athlete who set 3 in less than a week is going to come under scrutiny.

Jamaica needs to be proactive...test the athletes, and post the results. That will reduce protests against records.

Americans are pretty sensitive to doping. Look at the steroid and HGH abuse in baseball. There are far more stories about Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens than Usain Bolt. Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis eat up more space than Jamaican sprinters.

Also note it's not a racial thing.

Jerome

I'm beginning to laugh now at all who are trying to discredit Usian and our athletes. I will talk about Mr Bolt as he is the main topic at the moment.

Mr Bolt was recognised as a future world record holder at the age of 14, albeit over the 200m and 400m. He was then taken from is home in trelawny to live the other side of the country in the capital kingston to train at the IAAF high performance centre at UTECH(University of Technology). As a junior he was one of the most dominant junior the world had ever seen. Running 45.56 for 400 at 17 and 20.13 for 200 at the same age. By the age of 18 he started concentrating on the 200 because he was lazy and didn't like the 400. He then went on to set the world first and only sub 20sec for 200 by a junior.

The thing that as caused him to just now achieving is potential is injury and laziness. It's well document that Bolt preferred partying than training up 18 months ago. He only took train seriously after he was beaten by Tyson Gay in Osaka. The coach said since then he has never been late for training as he said he never want to be embarassed like that again.

As for the 100 and the world records. Usain is 6"5" but he as manage to master is starting. Once he is up to full running he is covering more track than any other athlete. Infact 1 and a half more foot with each stride length. Do the maths our legs are turning over at the same pace and i'm covering 18 inches more than you with each stride. What you think will the the eventual results.

Ron

For many years the Caribbean had produced, areguably, the best junior sprinters in the world! Jamaica has been the number one Caribbean spint nation for many, many years. Check Olympic Games results, and you will see that Jamaica has been winning medals since 1948!

Carl Lewis' comments are biased, and disappointing! Carl Lewis, Andre Phillips, and Joe Deloach all tested positive at the 1988 US Olympic Trials; they all went all to win gold medals at the '88 Games, and the drug testing results were notmaded public until after the games.

How does Carl Lewis explain the sudden dominance of Maurice Greene, Justin Gatlin, Flo Jo? Carl said that he was proud of the US athletes. Let's see: bernard Legat (Kenya), Sanya Richards (Jamaica), Kerron Clement (Trinidad)...get my point? all these athletes, to name a few, now represent the USA!

Until proven guilty, the athletes have to be "innocent". If the Jamaicans are on drugs, they just created an even playing field. Remember, they (Jamaican) kick butt at the junior ranks, now that they are "drugged", they will obviouls kick butt at the senior level also.

Carl, deal with it. You, and 9 of the top 10 sprinters in the world are probably dopers. What you see now is that the dopers with the most talent are winning? I don't know, and neither does Carl Lewis.

I have to mention Michael Johnson. He ran 19.59 indoor at an NCAA indoor championship meet for meet record and USA record. I then wittnessed Obadele Thompson (Barbados) run 19.36 on the same track and obliterated Johnson's collegiate record! Thompson, at the tender age of 16 broke the world Junior Record - 10.07 for 100m. Bolt ran 19.93 to set the world junior record at the age of 17! Darrel Brown (Trinidad) broke the world junior record at 17 years of age - 10.06! Got me point, again?

None of the American sprinters, male of female, have been so dominant as juniors....enough said!

Joy Mullings

Bolt does not have to cheat by using drugs. Unfortunately Americans can only succeed with the use of enhancers. Carl Lewis it is clear that there is someone out there BETTER than you SUCK IT UP and deal with it. MR. BOLT you are DAMN GOOD. Keep on keeping on.

Cinimod

All of you are freakin' delusional. They're ALL using performance enhancers! Americans, Jamaicans, Germans, Canadians, etc. ALL of them. If you are a world class sprinter, you're juiced...Period!

CARL LEWIS YOU ARE AN IDIOT

Robert

Carl......you ever hear about dasheeh bush, yams, manish water, goat head soup, fish broth, wild meat...eh?? For years people in the Caribbean eating good natural strong foods. We strong down here, we powerful down here, so chill out man....don't hate....come down for some foods guy......you'll see what I talking about...Irie mon!

dodgy Bill

Man those were fast times....

benny

King-Carl may have some smudges on his glistening gold and people are understandably suspicious of xenophobia in this situation, but that doesn't change the fact that out of competition testing on the island needs to catch up with the rest of the world. I like Usain for the record, but all that testing at the OG and Euro $ircuit he and his countrymen are put through is not same as testing in the off season independently, randomly and frequently. Changes are long overdue and maybe the controversy will do some good, since the sport deserves better. So does 21 year old phenom Bolt. The amateur legacy of T&F will not support weight of rampant drug use like big money sports. The sport HAS to recover it's integrity or become marginalized and die. Right now T&F reputation is low as a dog as scandal engulfs marquee names and it's regrettable.

Jamaica

Why should I be suspicious of Bolt! You're just jealous you cannot run as fast as him- and weren't you the one who tested positive on those same Drug Tests you seem to be proud of! You're a loser, Bolt is a winner!

Sir, Jamaica is the most tested nation in Track, and still we emerge with gold! You have no place to question us: it is the ackee, dumplin, yam, and banana- if your looking for drugs!

HMM

US let Lewis compete after failing drugs test

By Tom Knight
Published: 12:01AM BST 18 Apr 2003

Positive outcome: Carl Lewis tested positive for drugs
Carl Lewis heads the list of 19 American medallists who tested positive for drugs but were still allowed to compete at the Olympic Games in 1988.



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Beijing Olympics: WADA fears doping scandal could see public desert sportThe claim comes in documents released by Dr Wade Exum, the director for drug control at the US Olympic Committee from 1991 to 2000.

Exum had planned to use the documents in his racial discrimination and wrongful termination suit against the USOC, but the case was dismissed last week because of lack of evidence.

In more than 30,000 pages, the documents show that at a time when Americans were critical of methods supposedly being used in Eastern Bloc countries, they had a doping problem of their own.

Lewis is often named as one of the greatest athletes of the 20th century after amassing nine gold medals in four Olympics and has been one of the world's most outspoken anti-doping campaigners.

It was at the Seoul Games that he successfully defended his titles in the long jump and the 100 metres, in which he was awarded the gold medal after the Canadian, Ben Johnson, was disqualified.

Johnson's positive drugs test for the steroid stanozolol immediately after the 100m final is still considered the biggest scandal in Olympic history and Lewis was quick to condemn his greatest rival.

According to the documents, Lewis was one of three gold medallists who tested positive for banned stimulants at that year's US Olympic Trials, which were held two months before the Games in Indianapolis.

Three urine samples provided by Lewis on three days contained pseudoephedrine, ephedrine and phenylpropanolamine, drugs which could have meant disqualification and a three-month suspension.

Joe DeLoach, a training partner of Lewis's at the Santa Monica Track Club who went on to win the 200m, also tested positive for a banned stimulant.

So, too, did Andre Phillips, whose surprise victory in the 400m hurdles in Seoul denied the world record holder, Edwin Moses, a third Olympic title.

In letters allegedly written to Lewis, DeLoach and Phillips, the USOC's executive director, Baaron Pittenger, said the levels of stimulants "may have been sufficient to enhance performance and create an advantage over your competitors".

All three athletes, however, were let off any punishment when the USOC concluded they had ingested the substances inadvertently.

Martin D Singer, Lewis's lawyer, said the athlete had been told by telephone in 1988 that he had tested positive but had no idea how it could have happened.

Lewis claimed he had taken an over-the-counter herbal supplement but had not declared this before taking the drug test.

"Carl did nothing wrong," said Singer. "There was never intent. He was never told, 'You violated the rules'."

A letter from Pittenger purportedly informed Lewis that his "appeal" was being "treated as a warning rather than a suspension".

Like Lewis, Phillips was exonerated without going through a formal appeals procedure but he, at least, had declared on his doping form that he had taken a cold cure which had contained the stimulant.

DeLoach was even more fortunate. Pittenger wished him well on the same document that told him he had failed the test.

Officials on the current USOC dispute claims that results of drug tests were suppressed but concerns over the testing system intensified at the Sydney Olympics when it was alleged that 13 US athletes, including one gold medallist, had failed tests before the Games.

HMM-  bboy  -carl lewis

Cram: I don't believe Lewis

By Steve Cram
BBC Sport



Lewis' reputation has taken a battering
I'm struggling to come to terms with this week's revelations about Carl Lewis, because the last conversation I had with Carl was about drugs - and I have rarely seen anyone so wound up.

We had been watching athletics in Stockholm and were travelling back on the same flight.

We had quite a long conversation in which he was throwing accusations all over the place about various American athletes and others, and how his exploits and mine were being run down by the fact that so many people these days were taking drugs.

He said the authorities were doing nothing about it and that people like him and me should be doing more about it.

I remember saying to him: "Carl, if you've got any evidence, fine, but you can't just go around spouting forth about people when you've have nothing to back it up with."

I've never seen anyone so animated on the subject - and now we find out that he knew then that he himself had been in that position.

THE REYNOLDS CASE
Butch Reynolds was the 400 metres world record-holder when he was given a two-year ban in 1990
He sued the athletics authorities for £18m in damages
The case was thrown out of court but Reynolds only served eight months of his ban
I can only assume that he thinks it was such a minor misdemeanour that it wasn't worth mentioning.

Do I? Well, first of all, we should be pointing the finger at US Track and Field and the US Olympic Committee.

Neither have had the same attitude to drugs testing down the years as you find elsewhere.

Governing bodies are open to legal action, and in America they are particularly aware of that after the Butch Reynolds case.

But this does the sport no good whatsoever. And for Carl, no matter how great an athlete he was, people will now always doubt his legitimacy.

The questions tumble out - does this test detract from everything he did in his career, was he doing it throughout his career, did it mask other things...

I can't answer those. I don't know what else he was doing.

The fact that we have 19 American athletes, some of them Olympic medallists, failing these tests and it hasn't been made public - it's terrible that it has taken this long to come out.

Lewis dismisses allegations
It is this sense of conspiracy and cover-up that almost leaves a worse taste in the mouth for me.

When people think the authorities aren't doing their job properly, how can they ever trust the athletes?

Carl Lewis was a great athlete, full-stop - from day one. He wasn't someone who burst onto the scene from nowhere; he was a hugely talented athlete.

I used to look at Carl's career and think, well, it's a familiar pattern - dominated as a youngster, enjoyed a spell of dominance, and then gradually fell away.

That is what you expect from someone who isn't cheating.

He claims these substances came from a cold remedy he took.

Now, I have to be careful what I'm saying, but it seems funny to me that it's only athletes in the power events who ever seem to have colds.

It never seems to be a middle-distance runners who are caught taking flu remedies.

And even in my day you knew what you couldn't take when you had a cold, and Carl more than anyone else would have known that.

I simply can't buy that 'mistake' line as an excuse.



HMM-  bboy  -carl lewis

PLEASE READ >> I THINK THAT CARL LEWIS NEEDS TO GIVE BACK ALL THE MEDAL HE GOT FROM RUNNING TRACK AND ALSO EVERY MONEY HE MADE .HE SHOULD COME AND TELL THE WORLD HE IS SORRY TAKING MONEYS AND MEDALS WRONGFULLY .


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Cram: I don't believe Lewis

By Steve Cram
BBC Sport



Lewis' reputation has taken a battering
I'm struggling to come to terms with this week's revelations about Carl Lewis, because the last conversation I had with Carl was about drugs - and I have rarely seen anyone so wound up.

We had been watching athletics in Stockholm and were travelling back on the same flight.

We had quite a long conversation in which he was throwing accusations all over the place about various American athletes and others, and how his exploits and mine were being run down by the fact that so many people these days were taking drugs.

He said the authorities were doing nothing about it and that people like him and me should be doing more about it.

I remember saying to him: "Carl, if you've got any evidence, fine, but you can't just go around spouting forth about people when you've have nothing to back it up with."

I've never seen anyone so animated on the subject - and now we find out that he knew then that he himself had been in that position.

THE REYNOLDS CASE
Butch Reynolds was the 400 metres world record-holder when he was given a two-year ban in 1990
He sued the athletics authorities for £18m in damages
The case was thrown out of court but Reynolds only served eight months of his ban
I can only assume that he thinks it was such a minor misdemeanour that it wasn't worth mentioning.

Do I? Well, first of all, we should be pointing the finger at US Track and Field and the US Olympic Committee.

Neither have had the same attitude to drugs testing down the years as you find elsewhere.

Governing bodies are open to legal action, and in America they are particularly aware of that after the Butch Reynolds case.

But this does the sport no good whatsoever. And for Carl, no matter how great an athlete he was, people will now always doubt his legitimacy.

The questions tumble out - does this test detract from everything he did in his career, was he doing it throughout his career, did it mask other things...

I can't answer those. I don't know what else he was doing.

The fact that we have 19 American athletes, some of them Olympic medallists, failing these tests and it hasn't been made public - it's terrible that it has taken this long to come out.

Lewis dismisses allegations
It is this sense of conspiracy and cover-up that almost leaves a worse taste in the mouth for me.

When people think the authorities aren't doing their job properly, how can they ever trust the athletes?

Carl Lewis was a great athlete, full-stop - from day one. He wasn't someone who burst onto the scene from nowhere; he was a hugely talented athlete.

I used to look at Carl's career and think, well, it's a familiar pattern - dominated as a youngster, enjoyed a spell of dominance, and then gradually fell away.

That is what you expect from someone who isn't cheating.

He claims these substances came from a cold remedy he took.

Now, I have to be careful what I'm saying, but it seems funny to me that it's only athletes in the power events who ever seem to have colds.

It never seems to be a middle-distance runners who are caught taking flu remedies.

And even in my day you knew what you couldn't take when you had a cold, and Carl more than anyone else would have known that.

I simply can't buy that 'mistake' line as an excuse.



HMM-  bboy  -carl lewis

BBOY CARL LEWIS STATED BOLT JUMP FROM 10SEC FLAT TO 9.76 BUT RECORDS SHOWS THAT HE 19.SEC FROM AGE 15 SO THIS BBOY,>>NEEDS HELP > LET ME SHOW HIS RECORD JUMP IN PERFORMACE :

CHECK THIS OUT > I RUN 10.20 @ AGE 18 > LETS SEE THAT HAPPEN TO MR CARL LEWIS THE BATTY BOY > HMMM


Also in 1981, Lewis became the fastest 100 m sprinter in the world. His relatively modest best from 1979 (10.67 s) improved to a world-class 10.21 the next year. But 1981 saw him run 10.00 s at the Southwest Conference Championships in Dallas on May 16, a time that was the third-fastest in history and stood as the low-altitude record.[13] For the first time, Lewis was ranked number one in the world, in both the 100 m and the long jump. He won his first of six National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) titles for the University of Houston and won his first national titles in the 100 m and long jump. Additionally, he won the James E. Sullivan Award as the top amateur athlete in the United States.[14] His loss to Larry Myricks at the TAC Indoor Championships in February would stand as his last loss in the long jump for more than a decade.

Since it was rare for an athlete to compete in and dominate both a track and a field event, comparisons were made to Jesse Owens, who dominated sprint and long jump events in the 1930s.[15]

In 1982, Lewis continued his dominance, and for the first time, it seemed someone might challenge Bob Beamon’s world record of 8.90 m in the long jump set at the 1968 Olympics, a mark often described as one of the greatest athletic achievements ever.[16][17] Before Lewis, 28 feet [8.53 m] had been exceeded on two occasions by two people: Beamon and 1980 Olympic champion Lutz Dombrowski. During 1982, Lewis cleared 8.53 m five times outdoors, twice more indoors, going as far as 8.76 m (28 ft 9 in) at Indianapolis on July 24.[18] He also ran 10.00 s in the 100 m, the world’s fastest time, matching his low-altitude record from 1981. [ibid, p. 20] He achieved his 10.00 s clocking the same weekend he leapt 8.61 m twice, and the day he recorded his new low-altitude record 8.76 m at Indianapolis, he had three fouls with his toe barely over the board, two of which seemed to exceed Beamon’s record, the third which several observers said reached 30 ft (about 9.15 m). Some say Lewis should have been credited with setting a world record with that jump, claiming the track officials misinterpreted the rules on fouls.[19]

He repeated his number one ranking in the 100 m and long jump, and ranked number six in the 200 m. Additionally, he was named Athlete of the Year by Track and Field News. From 1981 until 1992, Lewis topped the 100 m ranking six times (seven if Ben Johnson's 1987 top ranking is ignored), and ranked no lower than third.[9] His dominance in the long jump was even greater, as he topped the rankings nine times during the same period, and ranked second in the other years


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douglas

Carl lewis clearly knows nothing about usain bolt's history.Bolt has been a sprint prodigy from his childhood.I agree that athletes should be tested.The sport must be kept clean.I think it is cowardly and unsportsmanlike of carl lewis to cast aspersions on bolt's performance, and then try to say that he isn't accusing him of anything.He should stop being bitter, bolt is a work years in the making,not a sudden overnight development.He is in fact capable of more and greater achievements,if he stays focused a,thoroughly trained and injury free.Lewis is jealous that Bolt is able when he is in good form to leave his competition several metres behind him,he would have done the same thing to a young fit carl lewis if he ran against him in the 100 or 200 .Take a look at jamaica,it has been a sprint factory for decades.Jamaican athletes have been denied many gold and silver medals by drug using athletes,many of them american.Lewis should stop hating them because of their natural talent,and hard work.

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Actually black people always will be champions with or without doping. It is in their nature

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